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Post by Scotty D. on Apr 18, 2005 21:52:39 GMT -5
It's definitely an interesting idea, to say the least. I do, however, like the idea of a level-up system and learning combos and stuff w/ the Yo-Yo. Definitely could be fun and would add a new dimension to the game.
Also, I like CamelPie's idea of having the game partially in 2-D and partially in 3-D...kind of like a mix between MegaMan and the new MegaMan X games...but better lol.
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Post by Skyofwelkup on Apr 20, 2005 12:36:53 GMT -5
I was always thinking that a new StarTropics game would be good with an engine kind of like Kingdom Hearts.
I mean everything: similar graphic engine, similar experience/level up engine, similar combat engine.
Not that I want to the series to turn into an RPG, but I think leveling up and experience like KH would be a welcome addition.
I really like the idea that the setting would be on Argonia. I hadn't thought of that and I think it would be really cool. The best idea for a setting I have heard.
I also like the idea where Mike learns different yo-yo abilities throughout the game.... making combat more fun as you progress.
The idea where you play as Hirocon with a sword was also pretty cool..... but I would want that kind of gameplay to be very limited.... Mike should be the major focus.
Edit: I also like the idea that the argonians are still alive but held captive somewhere. In the beginning of the game, you could discover their location and rescue them....(Wow. That makes for a great plot... rescuing an entire civilization) Then they can all help rebuild the planet.
The idea of Mike transporting back and forth is pretty good too. However, I don't think there should be much for him to do on Earth. Maybe it could be like a check point or save point where he can converse with his uncle for tips and whatnot.
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Post by Scotty D. on Apr 20, 2005 13:03:48 GMT -5
I do remember Mica saying at the end of the first Startropics that the rest of the Argonian race was albeit destroyed and the 7 kids (and Hirocon as we find out in ST2). Perhaps, instead of finding survivors of the Argonian race's genocide, traveling to Argonia and fighting off the rest of the Alien Invaders to make them either run away...or destroying them completely would be a good idea.
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Post by RHaYN on Apr 20, 2005 13:08:03 GMT -5
[glow=limegreen,2,300]i think that a kingdom hearts influence would not be great for startropics cuz it would just feel different
hey i got another idea if it had like a castlevania appeal to it i think it would be great like Castlevania Harmony of Dissonance had a sub-weapon combination i think that if mike could apply elements or other sub-weapon to his yo-yo for combinations.
and what about this idea? if mike could achieve a certain style change like a beserk fighter, pyromaniac or an earth loving druid or a aquatic mike but the style change is with his yo-yo and it happens to over come mike and he is somewhat changed like Megaman battle network 3 style changes [/glow]
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Post by Coralcola on Apr 20, 2005 14:07:38 GMT -5
Ughh, emmm, errrr, a Castlevania type ST game with upgrade names like Berserk Fighter (which sound more like Soul Caliber 2) I don't know if I'd be too happy with, same with Kingdom Hearts. I'm a person who really isn't the biggest fan of RPG's, or fighting type games like the Soul Caliber series or Castlevania, but I do believe that, only if needed, it should be based on another series, that Zelda would be the one, even though it would make it seem even more that ST was supposed to be a Zelda companion... I don't think that time travel should be the main factor in an ST 3 game, thats been done already (ST II). I don't know why ST can't create its own game engine (especially if it gets really popular), you just need a few people with some new, original ideas to get one going... LIKE US! If Mike were to travel in a spaceship everywhere, make it Sub-C with new additions Dr. J installed. Dr. J could be like to StarTropics and Mike what Q is to in the 007 series. I also like the idea of having some of it in 2-D, and part of it in 3-D (Very original ). However, I'd want it more in 3-d than 2-d at this point (given the new technologies) but I don't want it to look like one of the new MegaMan X games with palm trees... I love the idea of Yo-Yo combos and leveling up (how about 10 levels of the the Psychic Shock Wave too?? "You have reached level 20 and receieved *THE SUPER ULTRA MAGNIFICENT HUGE POWERFUL PSYCHIC SHOCK WAVE*" maybe not...). You could also have 10 levels of the yo-yo, with combos too. At level one, you'd get the yo-yo, at level 2, you'd get the PSW, and at 3, you'd get your first Yo-Yo trick with it alternating back and forth like that until you reach level 20. Each time you get a combo for both (every other level up) your life also increases one heart. I think it would be okay if there were at least a few objectives on Earth, and that Mike's save point would be Dr. Jones's lab on C-Island. Maybe, Mike could do objectives outside of the original StarTropics, while still on Earth, and go places like New Zealand, Fiji, and Madagascar, all in the Southern Hemisphere, with the Southern Cross looking on. Maybe all the side quests can be on Earth as well, with the main game itself being mostly outside the Milky Way. Then Mike can go to Argonia, and Zoda's Planet (maybe it could be called Spartacan, or Apocalypt... or something with an evil connotation) and destroy all of Zoda's minions, before going to Zoda's Planet and wiping the other 23 clones of Zoda away (A-W?? ;D, maybe not, either)! How's this, Zoda actually holds a 4th magic cube, white in color, which is actually holding all the Argonians that were supposedly killed (he just held the cube up, and said the same words Mike did from the Oxford Wonder World) and all the Argonians were then sucked in, leaving Zoda to ravage the planet without much opposition. When the 4 cubes are put together, it then releases all the Argonians, and like magic, returns Argonia to normal, or is that just too corny? Another idea I've had awhile but had forgot: It would be most appropriate that the star that makes the center point in the Southern Cross be actually Argonia. This could be the main reason why the Argonians would have such a tie to the Southern Cross, and why it means so much to them. Its sort of an attempt to tie the game together a bit more, and all that stuff. I think at this point, there are enough ideas floating around this forum to make about 3 or 4 new ST games. If I had the money (and time), I'd be calling up everyone on here to start writing up the game at this point, and start pitching it to the manufacturers to get one released... We basically have an entire novel in the works with all these ideas! I LOVE IT! ;D
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Post by Scotty D. on Apr 20, 2005 14:25:17 GMT -5
A lot of those ideas sound really good, coralcola. I especially like the idea of having Argonia be the apex of the Southern Cross stars. I also still have Erico's StarTropics fanfic fresh in my mind and there's a lot of things that could be pulled from that, if he's willing to allow it, of course.
As for learning different and higher levels of the Psychic Shockwave...that sounds like it could open itself up to possibilities (maybe have a multi-shot PSW that goes in 3 different directions when fired...) or maybe even different skills within the realm of Shilivre (yet again...pulled from Erico's fanfic).
If you can't tell by my many references to it, Erico's fanfiction is absolutely amazing. If you haven't read it yet, you really should. It's long but well worth the time spent. A lot of ideas could spawn from it as well.
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Post by Skyofwelkup on Apr 20, 2005 15:21:38 GMT -5
I think you're kind of misunderstanding my point. Either that, or I didn't word it correctly.
Basically what I'm saying a new startropics game should be like is almost exactly what everyone else is saying.
In a way, I can sometimes compare zelda and kingdom hearts. In many ways though, I agree that the game should have an adventure theme like that of zelda.... All I'm saying is that a non-realistic graphic style, a level up system with weapon upgrades, and an elaborate combat style with the yo-yo would be good for Startropics. These are the only similarities from KH I'm talking about.
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Post by RHaYN on Apr 20, 2005 20:01:20 GMT -5
[glow=limegreen,2,300]of course it would be great if the gameplay was like zelda. but i would like to see extra things added of course a yo-yo combo type of thing would be greatbut id like to know if the game would look better either cell shaded like wind waker or extremely detailed like the upcoming zelda for GCN
i would like the game to be as interactive as it could be and i would like if mike's hp wasn't run by hearts but by an HP bar and i would like to see mike as a mature teen [/glow]
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Post by Matt on Apr 20, 2005 21:17:28 GMT -5
I agree with some points, but I think the hearts should stay, they are part of the original engine. And Mike as a mature teen, thats reaching a little far don't you think ;D.
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Post by RHaYN on Apr 22, 2005 19:51:46 GMT -5
[glow=limegreen,2,300]Well i can't really argue cuz everybody has an opinion and that if nintendo happens to make a third startropics game it will be their chocie but if it was made by HAL i dont think that it would be so great cuz i havent really seen great HAL games other than SSBM i'd like to see it be done by retro studios they have worked with nintendo with metroid prime 1 and 2[/glow]
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Post by Coralcola on Apr 22, 2005 21:59:08 GMT -5
Well here's my thing... I agree that a level up system with weapon enhancements could be great for ST III. But, I actually think ST III should have a realistic graphic style, instead of something unrealistic and cartoonish, but thats my opinion. For example, in Windwaker, I love the gameplay and the game itself, but I'd rather the graphics be more realistic like that in Ocarina of time.
You see, I thought that the point of releasing new gaming systems, and upgrading their graphics quality and all was so that the games would be as realistic and life-like as possible, and the toon-shading effect that Windwaker and such games have seem to take away from that, in my opinion... If the realistic and graphical quality of games doesn't improve from system to system, why even release new systems in the first place? We could just stick with what we have now and be fine if toon-shading is the future of video gaming. Maybe I'm alone in this thinking, but that was my idea for it...
BTW I have been reading Erico's fanfic bit by bit, I haven't finished yet, so I'll wait to comment on it until I'm done with it all, but some of his ideas (which are very good indeed) have been similar to ideas I've been holding onto for awhile and have helped me to think of some more ideas (as if I didn't have enough already...).
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Post by Skyofwelkup on Apr 23, 2005 17:14:08 GMT -5
The thing is though, Kingdom hearts is already semi realistic. It has all the detail of a realistic graphic engine but still has a cartoony look at the same time.
Personally, I don't think many of today's developers are even ready for photo-realistic graphics. The graphic artists just aren't that good in my opinion. I can look a game that tries to achieve photo realistic graphics and I can pick up on many flaws, but I look at wind waker and it looks like they perfectly attained what they were shooting for.
I look at the Xbox. I see great games, well in concept that is. Ninja Gaiden, Fable, Jade Empire. Then I see screens of each of them and I am turned off. It looks like the developers of each were just passing around the same graphics engine. I need more variety than that. That's why I'm not a big Xbox fan. I think it has something to do with it being made by americans. A bunch of american developers jumped on board to make games for it. To me, american developers just seem to have an abhorrent lack of creativity. It shows in their choice of graphics, as well as most of the espionage and fps titles that rip everything off from existing events or other media.
That's just my opinion......
That's why I want something more unique with StarTropics. It's a special game, therefore it should have a special engine.
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Post by Scotty D. on Apr 23, 2005 20:08:20 GMT -5
I don't think I could've said it better myself. I, for one, loved Kingdom Hearts and think that graphics similar, but appropriate for a StarTropics game, to that would be awesome. It would also be interesting to see how they would portray Mike in 3-D...especially his trademark tuft of hair always sticking up in the front-right side of his head. That would be very interesting to see. I definitely think that this game is not for the Americans to make, graphics wise. Leave that to the Japanese that we all know and trust for continuously stunning graphics (just look at Gran Turismo 4!) that they are well known for. I guess it's a roundabout way of saying it, but I think that the realistic-yet-cartoonish look is a perfect one for StarTropics.
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Post by Skyofwelkup on Apr 26, 2005 20:39:26 GMT -5
I was always foolish in thinking that they wouldn't make a GCN startropics because of the water/island theme. For some reason I thought that a new startropics would have to take place at sea and would have to involve island hopping...... I never even considered a whole new adventure on a planet that may not even contain water at all! I was thinking about mario sunshine and zelda wind waker....... I find it odd that Nintendo used the same kind of setting for each of their biggest games this generation. With the setting being Argonia, this opens my eyes to the possibility that we may actually see a new startropics!!!!
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Post by Coralcola on Apr 30, 2005 17:18:21 GMT -5
Oh I agree that ST should have its own graphics engine, but for me to feel like I'm really Mike, and feel like I'm really busting bad-guy behind while playing the game, the cartoony effect won't completely satisfy me. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of TV cartoons I love, but I've always also been curious what those shows would be like if they had real actors playing the parts, and on a video game, where you really feel like you're in the game, and that you really are the main character. When that day comes, I'll be jumping for joy!!! BTW, I am totally there with you on the XBOX ripoff comments... You'd think that Microsoft would be able to be more original, they at least have the money to do so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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